Sandman Debunked #1164: Nationalism & MGTOW


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Every now and then Papa gets some really interesting questionnaire.

Mr. Longshot sent him a reasonable observation of MGTOW community, and how white nationalist are destroying our community. Sadly the Mr. Long shot doesn’t realize that Sandman is a full blown white supremacist, you will see the twisted Anti-Semitic mind of Sandman. He was always promoting hatred toward men of non-european background, so it’s business as usual.

“Hey Sandman, I’ve been around MGTOW for a long time now, back when MGTOW and the Mens Rights Movement was one and the same on AVFM.”

The reason MGTOW split off from AVFM was because of Paul Elam. He was looking the other way when white nationalist were taking over AVFM.

Incidentally AVFM was created because of the same reason — Men’s Right were talking about everything from immigration to inter-racial marriages. No talk about divorce, paternity fraud, or alimony.  It was — and still is a nice umbrella to hide under for white supremacist to spread their poison.

Sadly the Sandman a Canadian White Supremacist who has been spreading the same filth under MGTOW label.

We can see the result of his satanic work right under his own videos.


See how white supremacist now called “3rd world” meaning “Non-European” country racist? I will answer these comment down below.

Right now let’s continue with the question.

AVFM founder Paul Elam himself used fake anti semitic to gain money from his supports. It was the most bizarre thing at the time because he is a Jewish.

His affair with married women of his organization were well known to anyone.

Did it not occur to you guys that he is hiring women in “men organization”!  What do you think these women are doing with this philanderer?

“At this time most of us rejected the Mens Rights Movement and warned others to be wary of the traditional conservatives, they are not on your side.”

Yes, however, same men’s right have switched hats, now they are operating under MGTOW, or just joining back conservatives party. Whenever you see any Pro Trump MGTOW you know he is a traditionalist + racist.

Remind these racist people that we are not a political wing for left or right, and they will out right bash you of being a leftist, or liberal.

“Fast forward a couple years and take a look at TFM, Stardusk or even Bar Bar videos and you’ll find a high amount of women and nationalists claiming to support MGTOW.”

You have made some very good point. However, please be aware we are also not in a business of bashing feminism. That is an old thinking.

  • MGTOW is about opting out!
  • Meaning Boycotting marriage.
  • We are just out.

The reason few women support MGTOW has to do with alimony. Modern time women make more money than men. After divorce they get screwed just like men. Albeit their number is very small but it’s rising pretty fast.

“Its obvious why the women are here but what in the world does MGTOW have to do with nationalism.”

Among non-english mgtow there is general agreement. MGTOW must be for all men, therefore we must never bring political bigotry among us.

Sadly we see vast majority of English speaking MGTOW (specially from US & Canada), promoting racism, and even encouraging violence against minority.

Don’t you find it odd that a men right group is bashing men migrating from Syria to Sweden?

Because these MGTOW are white supremacist!

Sandman himself is guilty of this.

One of his video he stated that little muslim children (boys) are trying to convert white kids into Islam.

Where was his proof? This is a conservatives propaganda. Comments like his video are a indisputable facts that disprove his own assertion being out of the Matrix.

“MGTOW is apolitical in nature. I personally think these nationalists are just traditional conservatives who have been rejected too many times by women and are struggling to separate their national identity from MGTOW. Or they don’t have the strength to stand alone and thus are behaving like a herd of cattle. Power in numbers after all? I think it was Stardusk pointed out ‘if these same men were to get the female validation they are looking for, they would be married in a heart beat’ and happily join in on the MGTOW basement bashing.”

It’s very rear I call anyone sending him money a brother. However, I can only agree with his last paragraph.

We are in for a losing battle. However, sometime battles are not fought for winning but for honor and dignity.

If it is a losing battle then why fight it?


Perhaps better way to look at our situation would be the horror inflicted on the residence of Zanesville, Ohio, United States. On October 2011, Terry Thompson  an animal hoarder release all of his exotic animals and committed suicide.

He had well over 60 most dangerous animals. Animals like lions, lionesses, tigers, bear etc. On Oct 2011, three mountain lions, nine male lions, and eight lionesses were going around the town and eating people horses, chicken and all sort of farm aniamls.

Traditionalist/Conservatives and White Supremacist are like Terry Thompson. They pose danger to our very existence. We have seen these kind of evil sprung up before — Adolf Hitler, and Donald Trump — ironically also of a Germanic background.

This is a civil war in manosphere. We are going to expose these cockroaches to the light, and let the public decided if it’s worth tolerating them.

“What are your thoughts Sandman?”

You’re asking the wrong person.

“Well Team Longshot thanks for your donation and topic request. First you need to ask yourself who came her first the women or the nationalists?”


An excellent video by African American describing nazi sickness spreading in MGTOW.


Here is my response:

First off, the word “nationalist” refer to “white nationalist”, “white supremacist”, some even called themselves “far right”.

You would never hear the term “nationalist” used to describe Tamil nationalist, or even Palestinian nationalist!

Another word, it is a code word. A reference to white people who want to create pure white community either by killing, murdering non-white like it was done to Native American during colonization, or Jews during WW2.

MGTOW was created as a politically neutral community. This is why it is very upsetting to see American MGTOW promoting Trump.

  • By the way; how many liberals MGTOW had promoted Obama?
  • None!
  • You know why? Because they respect the organization mission!
  • It was about divorce, alimony, paternity fraud, and unfair child support!

“2016 was definitely the year we saw many women crawl out of their chameleon cubby holes and started calling themselves WGTOW or women going their own way and the same with black women going their own way. Of course they aren’t going their own way they are going the governments way.”

Any reference to this?

More and more women are going their own way because of Trump.

Love them or hate them women are making their voice heard across the world.

Your keyboard commando is aptly called “Keyboard Cowards: Cyber Stalking, Harassment & Bullying”


So, What are you doing Papa?

Hiding in Toronto, and because all those South Asian girls did not give you a time of a day in Mississauga Cinema?

Boy that must have been a nasty 15 minutes ride back home, did you jerk off while you were driving on QEW?

PS: Feel free to come to Darwin Australia. Unlike you I am not fat 40 years slav taking like a broken robot.

“But it doesn’t matter”

Yes it does matter. MGTOW was created as a safe haven for all male of all race to talk about marriage issues! You wanna talk about politics than join political party!

Do you see Jews talking about their religious believes in Churches? No they have synagogue. Every community has it own save space.

Hell even in house you have bed room to sleep, and living to watching tv, and eat!

Once again you are wrong!

“the goal has been to re-brand themselves as allies to men and they are using the traditional conservative angle to do that.”

You are the one who is doing the re-branding. Every one of your god-damn video is label “MGTOW” when it has nothing to do with our community.

If it doesn’t hurt your vanity than do a google search on your own name, and see how many people hate you.

“Most men going their own way won’t be fooled by this nonsense but there are many nationalist and even white nationalists that are identifying these women as potential dating candidates so my guess is they are coming onto MGTOW YouTube channels and trying to attract some of these women to themselves.”

Our community was not created for political wrestling. Most men are distancing themselves.

“Some MGTOW YouTube channels are becoming potential dating sites for women and nationalists.”

Name three!

“Many of the so called nationalists could also be agents of the left coming in here to get MGTOW to identify or label itself as part of the alt-right.”

There are no Obama support in MGTOW. There are only white nationalist & conservatives in MGTOW. See the youtube video by African American, and there are many article written by non-white.

I happen to be white Anglo- Saxon from Australia nonetheless my hatred for these “nationalist” is similar to minorities.

You guys are poison to our community just buzz off.

Go join Ron Paul movement and talk about “austrian economics”.

“Men going their own way have done a great job thus far staying political atheists.”

You are not. You always bash liberals, leftist, and even minorities. Stop lying to yourself.

PS: I am still waiting for your proof about muslim boys converting white kids into islam.

“We have kept the race and nationality card off the table because we identify that a man’s race and national identity have nothing to do with his character and most of the time people in our own in group will use it as an excuse to set us up on dates or get us to support political causes.”

Again you are a pro conservatives, and white nationalist. Your own videos are the evidence of that fact.

In fact your interview with Asian MGTOW you were crying white men are portrayed in a negative way, and minorities like Black, Asian, and South Asian in a good way. Those are your own words!

You know the funny thing about the whole interview? Jerry wanted to end the interview after 30 minutes. You wanted to talked about for few hours!

It’s like going to someone’s house and they say ‘well, it was nice meeting you”. You are like oh I wanna stay the whole day!

You know why Jerry wanted to end the interview? Because he knew you were going to blew it.

Guess what, you did !

In case you forgot: why did you even bring racial aspect of the movie during the interview?

This is why I have created this web site to expose scumbags like you for using our platform to spread your racist tentacles.

“Just look at what’s happening in the United States where if you’re a black man that’s a Trump supporter you’re considered an Uncle Tom traitor to your own people.”

Before you start to judge black community, step into their shoes & walk their life they live than talk about them.. until then what you say means absolutely nothing to us other than a reflection of you.

In case you forgot:

Trump called mexican rapist. That label alone should have made every white mgtow distance from him.

Under mgtow all men are brother.

Of course to people like you only white are brothers. Stop lying and be straight.

Supporting Trump automatically makes you anti-mgotw. MGTOW means all men are brothers. Just because white supremacist & racist conservatives have taken over our community doesn’t mean rest of the world agree with you.

Again what does supporting Trump do for MGTOW?

He is a republican who support pro traditionalist values!

This is just unreal, here are you bashing black men, when in reality you should be taking the side of non-white men.

You see guys how he is obfuscating the fact Trump called mexican men rapist?

Raping who?

White men!

Here we see all the white men jump to vote for Trump, and support him!

This is just one more indication that you are a racist bigot.

Unlike you I back my statement with proof.

“There are also a lot of nationalists listening to people like Sargon of Akkad because he spoke heavily about Brexit so there’s going to be a lot of people listening to guys like him and finding the MGTOW crowd after finding him.”

Sargon of Akkad is a racist. He called men of non white background terrorist, and he want to kill murder and even rape arab, muslim and even jews.

“The main issue is that the globalists don’t like nationalism because it’s all about protecting ones own unique cultural identity from immigrants coming in and refusing to assimilate into the culture.”

Globalist is a reference to “Jews”.

Thanks for confirming everything I have said!

You are not only racist but a full blown anti semite.

PS: Fellow WordPress Blogger Mgtow Ramp wanted to use my blog for his references for his post. I am okay with it.

Feel free to use my material, and repost it as you wish. As long as you give me the credit of its creation.



4 thoughts on “Sandman Debunked #1164: Nationalism & MGTOW

  1. Thanks bro.

    You have accurately captured the saddest state of our community.

    At this point in my life, I wonder if MGTOW is even worth defending..

    Entire community is Pro White & Pro Nazi


  2. I think nonsense such as this on Sandman Debunked supports my opinion that anti-racism has become more destructive and stupider than racism ever was, even the Nazi type of racism. The Nazi’s killed people, but you kill common sense itself.


  3. Nacionalism or Nacional Socialism is for men who marry women and have kids, nothing to do with MGTOW. I think a man have to be very perfect to be a nacional socialist, MGTOW are more men looking for freedom than to some kind of eugenist kind of thinking. My problem with national socialism is that is a ideology that demands perfection, normality, courage, inteligence, this is my main problem with this, and that’s why i had many fights with black metal people because those kind of péople are very radical and think weak people should be dead, they follow the book antichrist of nietzsche.


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